We choose the light.

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First time, Science is choosing the light. Until now science has been choosing darkness, which in reality doesn’t exist, yes, in limitation of mind it appears to be exist but nobody ever proved. For instance; Gravity is the weakest force compare to electromagnetic force. It appears in mundane world a dominant force but as we observe at cosmic scale it proves as if it doesn’t exist.  Newton’s observation was immense but his gravitation law has limitation. That’s the different between mind and heart. Whatever appears in mind gives the sense of reality. That’s why almost all so-called spiritual teachers talks and write about unconsciousness, which appears in mind as something real but in reality it doesn’t exist.

One famous author Deepak Chopra wrote a book called “Buddha: A Story of Enlightenment” to get opinion, he invited online conference, one friend ask; About Osho’s interpretation on Buddha and his interpretation, (his answer saws the different between mind and heart or light and darkness..) His answer was: “Osho's interpretations were very enlightening and lucid. My interpretations I leave to my readers' evaluation.” Mind has no idea about quality. Mind can even image about God. There is another spiritual teacher Echhart Tolle, who wrote book called “A New Earth – Awakening to your life’s purpose” first the title has no light and whole book talk about darkness because this earth is full of darkness so we need a new Earth.

There are teachings called “diamond logos” and “Diamond approach”. They are interested in policing ‘diamond’ removing the dust called personalities, characters and so on… the only thing they are creating is dusty clouds. As if these spiritual teachers are so much amazed by light their minds only think about darkness, assuming that removing darkness probably they can discover light. Nobody ever discover light removing darkness because darkness is just an invention of mind.

 Plasma is heart of science and only heart can be observed. Mediation is heart of religion, with proper experimentation and scientific methodology can be observed.

There are so many so-called spiritual teacher has been choosing mind for their spiritual search. Beginning with the assumption that the mind the dominant force to observe the truth. Even J. Krishnamurti, being an enlighten person choose unconsciousness (Darkness) for his teaching, for 40 years he spokes only about unconsciousness just to demonstrate that in reality it doesn’t exist.   And it is well-known fact that he died with tears in his eyes that he could not found a single person to whom he can convey his massage… he choose unconsciousness (Darkness). Nobody ever succeed and nobody is ever going to be succeed.

Plasma is light and light is the quality. All qualities belong to heart. Yes, it is complicated and chaotic in its behavior but that is the reality of truth. The sun is the perfect example of plasma. All assumption that made from earth about sun has failed. All Qualities are vertical and because It’s nature to flow in vertical, for mind it becomes complicated to percept.

Mind is known to all invention which is horizontal. For Mind it is easy to percepts. That’s why all invention becomes famous. The only difficulty with horizontal invention is that it needs a constant energy to exist. For example, to draw lines needs a paper, maybe these lines gives for a while a false illusion but it is just a game of lines which are moving in limitation of the paper horizontally.

Quality is being percept in heart which is vertical.

In Plasma current moves in vertical those currents is called Birkeland currents, the one who discover these current his name is Kristian Birkeland, he observe those vertical filaments under the sky observing auroras.

Mind and its inventions, moves in horizontal. It can be instrumental. It needs a constant force to move.

For example;  Our Mind, Cars, Airplane or Satellite moves in horizontal and needs Constance force to move.

In Gravity dominated view ‘The Universe’ appears only 4%, which proves only the limitation of the mind.

99% of the Universe is plasma,

We choose the opportunity to know. We choose the light.

Meditation and Drug!!!

I simply wanted to share my experience,
I am absolutely agree with article Meditation stronger than LSD
by Lakshen Sucameli
“Once you have closed your eyes for an hour and followed the stages of Dynamic, Kundalini, Mandala or Nataraj … something is bound to happen. No matter if you are a spiritual seeker, or a fervent atheist.”
I remember when I first read Osho. The very first book created an urge to experiment his meditation techniques. From very first day, was very clear to me that Meditation was the only solution.
I had confidence and trust in meditation, while I was for 7 years in the commune of Osho and 7 years in Europe.
I knew from my friend who just returned from Costa Rica had accidentally participated in a Shamanic ritual with ayahuasca, he was so exited to share his experience. Except vision and all stuff, what impressed me is that he said:
“The experience was so beautiful that even one do whole life meditation and don’t reach to present moment, while with this ritual one reach so easily at present and total”
So I became interested, after a year, Shaman was in Europe, so I attended, there was three sessions at night, the first night I felt bad because of the fear of something new, the second night I skipped, the third night I had dynamic meditation at 6 o’clock in the morning. That third night was wonderful and I was entranced by this ritual. I had seen the first time sky so colorful with brilliant stars. Everything was so intense and music was so beautiful. I had in my mind to observe and mind was doing so.
Throughout the year, before he arranged for the following year, I was in a state of absolute surrender just as Indian women who are conditioned by thousands of years because it believes that the husband is God. There are millions of conditions which are believed by millions of individuals by name of qualities (love, religion, truth and so on…) that becomes part of culture as realties.
I was crying just to hear the songs of this shaman.
However, trusting in meditation and living in Europe, personally, I decided to invite friends to my house once a week for an Osho’s meditation.
Before this shaman visited to Europe, I decided to do dynamic meditation for 21 days.
It was three nights sessions ritual. So First night with great trust I participated the ritual.
The ritual is based on music and singing songs so one could ride on the waves of music to have visions and so on…
What I experienced was incredible, because I watched my mind. Under the effect, the thought process has become faster. And so quickly that a little thought begins to move in a circle, and if one may be able to observe, it is so easy to realize that the same thought passes on the screen many times. It creates two possibilities for poor mind, one is, too difficult to handle and second is, to enter into the waves that are created by the music and ritual…Have a ‘TRIP’…..
First time I became aware of my mind. It just like, when in normal state of mind, ‘it’s as if we are moving in the car on the road having normal vision’ and in a state of hallucination of the mind, it’s as if we are in airplane over the road having different visions. In both cases, the mind is the one who plays the role.
In meditation the mind has no role. Besides, who’s playing the role? The observer, observation is a quality that does not belong to the mind.
Instead of entering in the waves that were created by music, I just started to look around and it was fun, because everyone was ecstatic. The only thing that surprised me to see their eyes were moving in a circle so fast. I just laughed and thought, ‘how the drug can fool a human being.’
If it is that much easy then there is no need to invent meditation techniques, which are devises to be free from mind. These shamans and so-called spiritual teachers are interested in mind. It is easy for them to attract minds. I feel sorry for these so-called spiritual teachers and students because they gather only mentally sick people around. None of them are interested in meditation.
I shared with great difficulty with my friends who have participated, but they didn’t understand. They think I lost the opportunity to experience and to be guided from above. In a sense they are right. I am very happy to lose this possibility.
For me, this is the real difference between drug and meditation!!!

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Satsang’s Genesis and Nemesis

‘Satsang’ means ‘to be with truth’; it has nothing to do with India or west.

As per as Truth is concern, nobody can corrupt because Truth is everywhere under the Sun, Sky, trees or with anyone who realize the Truth.
It is another matter if so many spiritual teacher and so called Gurus using ‘Satsang’ or ‘Gathering of seekers’ for satisfies their personal egos. To be with Truth needs a quality to be observe and to be witness, I have seen this teacher attracts only persons who are so much identify with mind and they feel at ease with these so called teacher. There are many swami rajneesh, who use Osho or any enlighten for their crack purpose, what is the point for ‘Truth’ to take any support from their beloved masters or any one…but that what majority of human wants… They have no interest in meditation but how to go against where meditation is happening regularly.
I remember one friend who is teacher, has arrange a group for his teaching called ‘Diamond Body’, I was participate and he was talking to me that ‘at least in this life I have to be enlighten’, this man was talking about diamond body which is a body of enlighten. He had collected all the information about how this diamond body should be. People’s mind likes this kind of information so this kind of teacher are able to gather student or seeker and then they call it Satsang, Gathering or Etc…
There are Shamans, who gathers for some rituals having some kind of hallucination stuff and call that they are seeking for truth.
Yes, if they are concern about people’s psych, then they must call ‘therapeutic group’ there is nothing wrong for a broken family to participate such kind of group.
I have seen this kind of Satsang and Gathering of seekers and I found almost all are suffering from some kind of psychic problem, instead of calling therapeutic group they call Satsang, that’s all…

“When you meditate you discover over and over again that you are not a prisoner of your mind.”
–Andrew Cohen
These so-called spiritual teachers are always in confusion, when they talk about meditation, awareness, consciousness, why?
Because their spirituality based on knowledge and information gathered from scriptures of so many religions and enlightens masters. This is very easy to observe what Andrew Cohen is saying. As one discover him that he is not a prisoner of mind in meditation. Very negative approach. May be he must be prisoner of his mind.
Mind is an instrument to use. There is no need to go against.
As if An artist has to discover that his hands are not prisoners of him because these hand are destroying all the canvas.
When you meditate you discover yourself. The center, where all movement stops. Mind has a center, body has a center, heart has a center, and everything which exists has a center. Meditation is nothing but a technique to reach that center.
Sit down before facts like a child, and then only meditation descends where there is no prison and no prisoners.

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http://www.intentblog.com/archives/2007/12/are_science_spi_3.html
There is no hope for moon mind to realize truth but this moon mind because of their reflecting power becomes barrier to realize the Truth not for themselves but also for others. A theologian exist only because of his image of GOD is strong and real as per as his mind is concern. He cannot accept his image of GOD can be wrong. Otherwise a theologian cannot exist. It is same with all kind of logician.It is so with moon minds. Almost all of these moon mind has one thing common that they are convince by something according to their knowledge and experience.Avtar Singh is convinced that 4% visible and measurable matters exist in this universe. Moon mind cannot accept that mind is too small to realize The Truth. Moon mind know about The Truth as a theologian know about GOD.“(Note: Such definitions of genuine science and genuine spirituality are holistic and may differ from the widely accepted but limited and incomplete materialistic-only definitions of the mainstreams.) As per such holistic definitions, a scientist who is not spiritual (consciousness-integrated, it does not mean dogmatic religious) is not a genuine (holistic) scientist (irrespective of how many Nobel Prizes he/she has won). Similarly, a spiritualist who is not scientific (it does not mean materialist reductionist) is not a genuine (holistic) spiritualist (irrespective of how many followers/believers he/she has won).”This moon mind wants Nobel Prize or followers/believers. I don’t know yet any Buddha won Nobel Prize so there is no need to worry, as you know enlightenment.Moon mind scientist convince that the consciousness-integrated science exist as if love-integrated science. Buddha’s consciousness expresses by his mind or a lover’s love expresses by his heart are the qualities and there is no way to use this quality to reveal universal consciousness.(Enlightenment is not a destination situated in the commonly experienced fixed space and time. It is the awakening to the ultimate universal reality that exists eternally and omnipresently within us and all around us. Hence, the path to enlightenment, single or many-fold, is a misnomer. Just as we do not need a path or set of rituals to awaken in the morning from night’s sleep, enlightenment needs no hard-set path, extraneously imposed morals/rules of conduct, or rituals to be performed.The simple wisdom that governs enlightenment is –“The sun is shining, Just open your eyes.”- Avtar Singh)It seems a blind man is talking about light. I wonder none of these moon minds ever declare that they are enlighten but they talk almost everything about enlightenment.As a blind man cannot realize light and darkness, a moon mind cannot realize enlightenment.A blind man needs eyes and a moon mind needs No-Mind. From mind to No-Mind needs Meditation as for blind man needs surgery or medicine to cure eyes. There is no need to know about enlightenment. Meditation factions exactly like medicine.“While it is true that they may not have knowledge of mainstream science or HR, but the ongoing processes within their minds were governed by the same universal laws of HR as the whole universe including the material parts. Similarly, when we think and act our body and brains follow the E=mC2 law even if we are not aware of it. Even if we try to ignore it we cannot escape it. It is written on the fabric of the cosmos.”- Avtar SinghThis moon mind has to understand that E=mC2 law maybe follow to create atomic power but rest is out of date. There is nothing written on the fabric of the cosmos. Even Einstein’s last wish was to born in his next life as a plumber then a scientist. This great people are honest and because of their honesty they are Great.Consciousness-integrated science provided some answers to the previous post (part3)(comment#13) are more or less related to moon mind.
Dear A-Man=No-Mind :
#5A: " Moon minds are not ready to loose their knowledge then how they can be lifted to see the TRUTH.”
Moon minds are not ready to loose their knowledge, so we have to devise a better way to convince them to lift themselves. We have to enhance their incomplete materialistic-only or logic-only knowledge with the Holistic Wisdom to transform.
This is what the consciousness-integrated Holistic Science accomplishes. It gives them a consciousness enhanced rational science to see that ego-dissolution is the ultimate solution to resolve paradoxes of the universe including the life and mind. The beauty of this new approach is that it provides a solution in a language (science and rationality) that they understand. It makes the ultimate goal of enlightenment understandable and achievable for even the moon-minds. There is hope in it for everyone including the moon-minds to become sun-minds.
#5B: “Meditation is the Only Solution”
Meditation is only a tool, a great tool, and not the solution.The ultimate solution is achieving an ego-less awareness that exists at its own without even performing the meditation as an extraneous ritual. Millions perform meditation as a ritual and never get anywhere other than a temporary (may be) relaxation. Many do not even know the purpose of meditation and do not understand how and why it works. I have several friends who stopped meditation complaining headaches.
For all these millions of people, the consciousness-integrated science is a knowledge-based tool to understand the real purpose and inner physical processes of the mind behind meditation. If understood properly, many would stop ritualistic meditation and begin to reap the valuable benefits of the real meditation. The wisdom of the consciousness-integrated science can only help many perform the real meditation to achieve genuine happiness rather than performing a mere dogmatic mechanical and inanimate ritual that only enhances the ego.
Without understanding the true science behind meditation, it is not impossible but only a crapshoot or one-in-a-billion chance that one would hit a jackpot of being or even understanding the true Buddha.
And one who thinks that he/she is a Buddha or understands him, need to validate the self-made presumption against the realities of the universe, because whatever is not universal is not the TRUTH, and hence, is not Buddha but just another (anti-science) moon-mind.
And there is nothing more dangerous than the un-validated presumption of the self as being the Buddha.
Avtar
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Moon-Mind knows what I mean.It is up to you to find out sun and star minds. #9Dear Avtar Singh,At least you understand what I mean when I use Moon-Mind. To me Moon-Mind is the one who is convince and that what all Moon-Minds are doing to devise a better way to convince or to enhance their incomplete materialistic-only with the Holistic Wisdom to transform. What is this Holistic Wisdom? It is an approach that provides a solution in a language (science and rationality) that they understand. Philosophy means wisdom of truth now is any philosopher ever understands the truth in language. Just try to write your experience of the test of water that you are drinking every day and you are writing that it makes the ultimate goal of enlightenment understandable and achievable.There is hope for everyone only Moon-Minds are missing this possibility to realize TRUTH not because they cannot but because Moon-Minds are stuck with their idea. Everyone comes to earth with mind (Earth-Mind) having greatest possibility to go beyond mind (No-Mind). Moon-Mind gets stuck with tool. Mind is a tool as you wrote Meditation is only a tool, a great tool, and not the solution. Yes if you take Meditation as a tool it remains only a great tool not the solution. As you take medicine as a tool it can be sugar coated tablets or beautiful but one can use it only for cure and only a person who is aware of his illness can find out his medicine for cure. Solution is not in your hand so moon minds are interested in tool that what is happening with Moon-Mind.If you have ever practice Meditation then it is difficult to say: “The ultimate solution is achieving an ego-less awareness that exists at its own without even performing the meditation as an extraneous ritual. Millions perform meditation as a ritual and never get anywhere other than a temporary (may be) relaxation. Many do not even know the purpose of meditation and do not understand how and why it works. I have several friends who stopped meditation complaining headaches.”I have several friends who know everything about Meditation but they are the only one who is not able to practice meditation. For example there are many great spiritual teacher or scholar who knows everything about Enlightenment and they miss enlightenment.“For all these millions of people, the consciousness-integrated science is a knowledge-based tool to understand the real purpose and inner physical processes of the mind behind meditation. If understood properly, many would stop ritualistic meditation and begin to reap the valuable benefits of the real meditation. The wisdom of the consciousness-integrated science can only help many perform the real meditation to achieve genuine happiness rather than performing a mere dogmatic mechanical and inanimate ritual that only enhances the ego.”-AvtarForget about all these millions of people, what about you? Are there any need to find out what is Real Meditation and physical processes of the mind behind meditation? As you say mediation is a tool so tool can be real or ritualistic.“Without understanding the true science behind meditation, it is not impossible but only a crapshoot or one-in-a-billion chance that one would hit a jackpot of being or even understanding the true Buddha. And one who thinks that he/she is a Buddha or understands him, need to validate the self-made presumption against the realities of the universe, because whatever is not universal is not the TRUTH, and hence, is not Buddha but just another (anti-science) moon-mind. And there is nothing more dangerous than the un-validated presumption of the self as being the Buddha.”-AvtarDon’t worry Buddha has nothing to do with whatever is not universal is not the TRUTH. For Buddha everything is universal whether it is validated or un-validated.

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http://www.andrewcohen.org/blog/index.php?/blog/post/revolution-retreat/
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Evolutionary Enlightenment. What does that mean?
How Moon mind give a false Illusion from centuries and it is continuing even in 21st century.
“Enlightenment is the experience of consciousness beyond ego.” Moon mind always talk to other minds and only other mind who is interested in words and experience, listen to these moon mind without asking what they are saying has meaning or not. How enlightenment can be experience of consciousness. In ego there are all kinds of experience, beyond ego there are no experience. It is as if hands of an artist will experiments the joy of his creation…
To experience you need mind. Just ask to a lover please explain your experiment of love or ask a Buddha please explain your experience of consciousness, he will laugh at you. Lover is not experimenting love or Buddha is not experimenting consciousness. History has enough proof. Whenever there is lover, moon minds are ready to kill them or there is a Buddha, moon minds make every arrangement to destroy them. Moon mind knows only about enlightenment and that is the reason why they are interested Evolutionary Enlightenment and it’s mean. Moon minds invent every kind of retreat and meditation, but it doesn’t work not because of meditation technique but they use meditation technique for experiment something as Mind Wants To Experiments No-Mind. It is normal that they failed so the easy way is to become Moon Mind and there are thousands who follow them.

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http://www.andrewcohen.org/blog/index.php?/blog/post/its-all-too-much/
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“Life is strange, and reality as it truly is seems to be inherently complex and confusing.”
As you write: I’ve been a spiritual teacher for 21 years. My greatest source of confidence is a simple fact: as a teacher and as a human being, I’m still evolving. I’m still developing.
I would like to ask you: Do you helping others to evolving and developing? Do you think one day you will understand what is enlightenment or evolution beyond ego?
I am not against your work but I am surprisingly asking you, is it the right way to inquire? Did anyone down the ages ever understood? Reality as it truly is seems to be inherently complex and confusing: are you sure it can be relatively simple-if we want it to be?
Don’t you think Sri Aurobindo wasted his whole life for that the ego is transcended in any kind of real and meaningful way- like super-man, super-mind and immortality?
I saw a video of Ken Wilbur that saw he is stopping his mind wave. – Is stopping mind wave is enlightenment?
After 3 century scientists has come to know that the gravitation force laws and Einstein’s relativity laws has become out of date, just you look a beautiful movie “Thunderbolts of the God”
Is Spirituality is that much easy that this thousand of spiritual teachers having some strange idea will make it easy to realize the truth?
Why real enlighten master has the unique way to give his massage?